
We explore philosophy, politics, economics, and other ideas from a classical liberal perspective.
Episodes

Sep 25, 2024
Sep 25, 2024
59 min
Alex speaks with Ádám Lovász about the concept of spontaneous order, examining its philosophical roots in thinkers like Hayek and exploring its applications beyond human societies, including ecosystems and insect colonies, as well as its implications for understanding the limitations of technocratic control in both markets and ecological systems.
References
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Adam's Author Page on Amazon
Link: https://www.amazon.ca/stores/author/B00LXFHXN8/about?ingress=0&visitId=5dbd96f1-456d-41f2-a1e7-6d59eeaf6ca9&ref_=ap_rdr -
"The Constitution of Liberty" by Friedrich Hayek
Link: https://www.amazon.ca/Constitution-Liberty-Friedrich-Hayek/dp/0226320847 -
"The Sensory Order: An Inquiry into the Foundations of Theoretical Psychology" by Friedrich Hayek
Link: https://www.amazon.ca/Sensory-Order-Friedrich-Hayek/dp/0226320944 -
"The Wealth of Nations" by Adam Smith
Link: https://www.amazon.ca/Wealth-Nations-Adam-Smith/dp/1505577128 -
"Anarchy, State, and Utopia" by Robert Nozick
Link: https://www.amazon.ca/Anarchy-State-Utopia-Robert-Nozick/dp/0465097200 -
"Stigmergic Epistemology, Stigmergic Cognition
Link: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S1389041707000290 -
"The Road to Serfdom: Texts and Documents -- The Definitive Edition" by Friedrich Hayek
Link: https://www.amazon.ca/Road-Serfdom-Fiftieth-Anniversary/dp/0226320553
Thanks to our patrons including: Amy Willis, Kris Rondolo, and Christopher McDonald.
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Sep 18, 2024
Sep 18, 2024
57 min
Matt speaks with Colin Craig about the Canadian healthcare system, discussing its inefficiencies, long wait times, and potential reforms, while comparing it to healthcare models in other countries and offering practical suggestions for improvement.
References
- Health Reform Now - the documentary that informs much of this conversation:
Link: https://secondstreet.org/new-documentary-health-reform-now/ -
"Universal Health Care: What the United States Can Learn from the Experience of Other Developed Nations" Panel featuring Karen Davis
Link: https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC2838163/ -
"The Healthcare Fix: Universal Insurance for All Americans" by Laurence J. Kotlikoff
Link: https://www.amazon.ca/Healthcare-Fix-Universal-Insurance-Americans/dp/0262113147 -
"Cross-Border Healthcare"
Link: https://www.pgeu.eu/cross-border-health-care/#:~:text=The%20Cross%2DBorder%20Healthcare%20Directive,provided%20certain%20conditions%20are%20fulfilled. -
"Analytical methods to assess the impacts of activity-based funding (ABF): a scoping review"
Link: https://healtheconomicsreview.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s13561-021-00315-1 -
"Waiting Your Turn: Wait Times for Health Care in Canada, 2022 Report" by Bacchus Barua and Mackenzie Moyer
Link: https://www.fraserinstitute.org/studies/waiting-your-turn-wait-times-for-health-care-in-canada-2022 -
"The Overton Window"
Link: https://www.mackinac.org/OvertonWindow
Thanks to our patrons including: Amy Willis, Kris Rondolo, and Christopher McDonald.
To become a patron, go to patreon.com/curioustask

Sep 11, 2024
Sep 11, 2024
1 hr 34 sec
To celebrate Sabine’s time at the ILS and her work with the Curious Task, we’re revisiting Sabine’s first appearance as a guest on the podcast.
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Alex Aragona speaks with Sabine El-Chidiac as she explores the different ways civil society solutions help refugees succeed when they move to their new home.
References from The Curious Task Episode 68 with Sabine El-Chidiac
- You can find Sabine's work on this topic mentioned in the podcast at Police Options here
- The Government of Canada’s website contains a list of all the programs under which economic immigrants are admitted into Canada.
- Here is some more information about the express entry pathway.
- As Sabine noted in the podcast, admission under the Provincial Nominee Program is dependent upon what the destination province deems to be their biggest occupational and employment goals and needs. This link provides a brief overview of the program and hyperlinks to province-specific guidelines.
- You can read more about the UNHCR’s Refugee Status Designation process on their website here, as well as their procedural standards here.
- This is the link to the Government of Canada’s guide to the private refugee sponsorship process.
- Sabine mentioned the work of the Anglican Diocese of Toronto to accommodate and build a community for refugees by performing fundraisers and food drives amongst the parishioners. You can read their mission statement on their website.
- Sabine’s article, The success of the privately sponsored refugee system, discusses some of the themes from this podcast, such as the principle of civil society, and is available for reading on Policy Options.
- Here is a link to the Rapid Impact Evaluation of the Syrian Refugee Initiative developed by Immigration, Refugees and Citizenship Canada (2016. It compares the outcomes, living standards, and satisfaction of government and privately sponsored Syrian refugees between 2015-2016.
- This is a link to the joint statement to the UN General Assembly by the Ministers of Canada, United Kingdom, Ireland, Argentina, Spain, and New Zealand speaking in favour of community-led sponsorship approaches that Alex briefly mentions on the podcast.
- Here is a link to the official PSR cap published by the Government of Canada. Some examples of the lobbying against PSR caps include the Canadian Council for Refugees and the Canadian Refugee Sponsorship Agreement Holders Association.
- Alex and Sabine discuss Danby Appliances’ CEO Jim Estill’s sponsorship and hiring of over fifty refugee families in Guelph, Ontario. You can read more about this in the article linked here.
- On the podcast, Sabine shares the inspiring story coming out of Haida Gwaii, British Columbia with regards to how the refugees who were once sponsored to the area eventually became systems of support for new incoming refugees. You can follow the community work for refugees in Haida Gwaii through one of their local newspaper’s website.

Sep 4, 2024
Sep 4, 2024
53 min
Alex speaks with Mark Koyama about the historical context and economic implications of the Manila Galleon trade, focusing on how monopolistic practices increased the risk of shipwrecks and the broader lessons for contemporary economics about the unintended consequences of monopoly power.
References
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"Shipwrecked by Rents" by Mark Koyama, Desiderio Desideri, and Fernando Arteaga
Link: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0304387823001967 -
"The Wealth of Nations" by Adam Smith
Link: https://www.amazon.ca/Wealth-Nations-Adam-Smith/dp/1505577128 -
"Institutions, Institutional Change and Economic Performance" by Douglass C. North
Link: https://www.amazon.ca/Institutions-Institutional-Change-Economic-Performance/dp/0521397340 -
"An Inquiry into the Nature and Causes of the Wealth of Nations" by Adam Smith
Link: https://www.econlib.org/library/Smith/smWN.html -
"The East India Company: A History" by Philip Lawson
Link: https://www.amazon.ca/East-India-Company-Philip-Lawson/dp/0582073855 -
"Empire: How Britain Made the Modern World" by Niall Ferguson
Link: https://www.amazon.ca/Empire-How-Britain-Made-Modern/dp/0141007540 -
"The Rise and Fall of the Spanish Empire" by William Maltby
Link: https://www.amazon.ca/Rise-Fall-Spanish-Empire/dp/1403917922

Aug 28, 2024
Aug 28, 2024
1 hr 4 min
Summary
Alex speaks with Jacob Levy about the concept of a liberal party, exploring its philosophical foundations, historical context, and touch on all of these points within the context of Jacob's article "The Liberal Party Idea" (2024).
References
- The Liberal Party Idea by Jacob Levy:
Link:https://www.researchgate.net/publication/381323406_The_liberal_party_idea_and_American_ideology -
"On Liberty" by John Stuart Mill
Link: https://www.gutenberg.org/files/34901/34901-h/34901-h.htm -
"The Constitution of Liberty" by Friedrich Hayek
Link: https://www.amazon.ca/Constitution-Liberty-Friedrich-Hayek/dp/0226320847 -
"The Federalist Papers" by Alexander Hamilton, James Madison, and John Jay
Link: https://guides.loc.gov/federalist-papers/full-text -
"Reflections on the Revolution in France" by Edmund Burke
Link: https://www.amazon.ca/Reflections-Revolution-France-Edmund-Burke/dp/0199539022 -
"Democracy in America and Two Essays on America" by Alexis de Tocqueville
Link: https://www.amazon.ca/Democracy-America-Alexis-Tocqueville/dp/0140447601 -
"Two Treatises of Government" by John Locke
Link: https://www.amazon.ca/Two-Treatises-Government-John-Locke/dp/1616190345 -
"Political Liberalism" by John Rawls
Link: https://www.amazon.ca/Political-Liberalism-John-Rawls/dp/0231130899
Thanks to our patrons including: Amy Willis, Kris Rondolo, and Christopher McDonald.
To become a patron, go to patreon.com/curioustask

Aug 21, 2024
Aug 21, 2024
1 hr 20 min
Sabine speaks with Nathan Goodman about the complexities of border control and domestic policy, focusing on how these issues intersect with libertarian philosophy, the economic implications of immigration, and the ethical considerations of state power in regulating borders.
References
"The Law of Peoples" by John Rawls
Link: https://www.amazon.ca/Law-Peoples-John-Rawls/dp/0674005422
"The Machinery of Freedom: A Guide to Radical Capitalism" by David D. Friedman
Link: https://www.amazon.ca/Machinery-Freedom-Guide-Radical-Capitalism/dp/1507785607
"Anarchy, State, and Utopia" by Robert Nozick
Link: https://www.amazon.ca/Anarchy-State-Utopia-Robert-Nozick/dp/0465097200
"The Ethics of Liberty" by Murray Rothbard
Link: https://www.amazon.ca/Ethics-Liberty-Murray-N-Rothbard/dp/0814775594
"Borders of Justice" edited by Etienne Balibar, Sandro Mezzadra, and Ranabir Samaddar
Link: https://www.amazon.ca/Borders-Justice-Etienne-Balibar/dp/1439906858
"Free to Move: Foot Voting, Migration, and Political Freedom" by Ilya Somin
Link: https://www.amazon.ca/Free-Move-Migration-Political-Freedom/dp/0190054581
"Politics in Plural Societies: A Theory of Democratic Instability" by Alvin Rabushka and Kenneth A. Shepsle
Link: https://www.amazon.ca/Politics-Plural-Societies-Democratic-Instability/dp/0205617611
Thanks to our patrons including: Amy Willis, Kris Rondolo, and Christopher McDonald.
To become a patron, go to patreon.com/curioustask

Aug 14, 2024
Aug 14, 2024
56 min

Aug 7, 2024
Aug 7, 2024
59 min
Matt speaks with Bruce Pardy about the rule of law in Canada, implications of the notwithstanding clause, the evolving interpretation of the Charter, and the balance between individual rights and state power.
References
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Friedrich Hayek - "The Road to Serfdom" - https://www.amazon.ca/Road-Serfdom-Fiftieth-Anniversary/dp/0226320553
Discussed in relation to emergent order and skepticism of imposed rules. -
Magna Carta - "The Magna Carta" - https://www.archives.gov/files/press/press-kits/magna-carta/magna-carta-translation.pdf
Mentioned as a historical document marking the beginning of limiting the king's power. -
U.S. Bill of Rights - "The Bill of Rights" - https://www.archives.gov/founding-docs/bill-of-rights
Cited as a document that transferred power from the legislature to the courts in the American context. -
Section 33 - The Notwithstanding Clause - "Section 33 of the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms" - https://www.justice.gc.ca/eng/csj-sjc/rfc-dlc/ccrf-ccdl/check/art33.html
Discussed as a controversial clause allowing legislatures to override certain rights. -
Adam Smith - "The Wealth of Nations" - https://www.amazon.ca/Wealth-Nations-Adam-Smith/dp/1505577128
Referenced in discussions on free markets and the role of government. -
John Locke - "Two Treatises of Government" - https://www.amazon.ca/Two-Treatises-Government-John-Locke/dp/1616190345
His ideas on government and individual rights were mentioned. -
Milton Friedman - "Capitalism and Freedom" - https://www.amazon.ca/Capitalism-Freedom-Anniversary-Milton-Friedman/dp/0226264211
Cited in discussions about the role of government in economic affairs.
Thanks
Thanks to our patrons including: Amy Willis, Kris Rondolo, and Christopher McDonald.
To become a patron, go to patreon.com/curioustask

Jul 31, 2024
Jul 31, 2024
1 hr 10 min
Alex speaks with Rosolino Candela about the morality and dynamics of illicit markets, focusing on the transition from central planning to privatization in post-Soviet Russia and the role of property rights in shaping economic behaviors and attitudes.
References:
Rosolino's Website - https://www.rcandela.com/
Timothy Fry - Property Rights and Property Wrongs - https://doi.org/10.1017/9781316661727
Peter Boettke - Soviet Studies - https://www.peter-boettke.com/soviet-studies
Classical Economics - https://www.britannica.com/money/classical-economics
Constantine Menges - https://www.hudson.org/domestic-policy/an-appreciation-of-constantine-menges
Ayn Rand - Objectivism: The Philosophy of Ayn Rand - https://aynrand.org/novels/objectivism-the-philosophy-of-ayn-rand/
Ludwig von Mises - Human Action - https://mises.org/library/book/human-action
Milton Friedman - Capitalism and Freedom - https://ctheory.sitehost.iu.edu/resources/fall2020/Friedman_Capitalism_and_Freedom.pdf

Jul 24, 2024
Jul 24, 2024
1 hr 8 min
Matt speaks with Matt Zwolinski about Bleeding Heart Libertarianism and the diverse perspectives within libertarian thought, discussing its history, philosophical foundations, and contemporary issues, including debates on social justice, individual rights, and the role of government.
References:
The BHL blog: https://bleedingheartlibertarians.com/
Hayek on SEP including his thoughts on social justice and libertarianism: https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/friedrich-hayek/
John Tomasi and Matt Zwolinski's book "The Individualists" - https://press.princeton.edu/books/hardcover/9780691155548/the-individualists
Roderick Long on natural rights and libertarianism - http://freenation.org/a/f42l1.html
Eric Mack's page on Tulane U website, including works - https://liberalarts.tulane.edu/philosophy/people/eric-mack-phd
Ralph Nader on a libertarian alliance with "liberals"/progressives - https://www.wbur.org/radioboston/2014/05/21/ralph-nader
Billy Christmas on PhilPeople - https://philpeople.org/profiles/billy-christmas
A summary of American Libertarianism and consequentialism including a reference to Richard Epstein -
https://usapoliticaldatabase.weebly.com/consequentialist-libertarianism.html

Jul 17, 2024
Jul 17, 2024
1 hr 13 min
Alex speaks with Chris Coyne about the complexities and ramifications of war, focusing on the interplay between media narratives, propaganda, and the impact on civil liberties, drawing insights from Coyne's book co-authored with Abigail Hall, which is a satirical guide on war strategies and their broader societal implications.
Episode Notes:
Chris and Abigail's book "How to Run Wars": https://www.independent.org/store/book.asp?id=145
1. Bruce Winton Knight's "How To Run A War": https://www.amazon.com/How-Run-War-Bruce-Knight/dp/B000OMR1KG
2. Herman and Chomsky's "Manufacturing Consent": https://www.amazon.ca/Manufacturing-Consent-Political-Economy-Media/dp/0375714499
3. Noam Chomsky's website: https://chomsky.info/
4. Alexis de Tocqueville's biography, including reference to his distinction between hard and soft despotism: https://www.britannica.com/biography/Alexis-de-Tocqueville
5. Otto Neurath's "Through War Economy to Economy in Kind" https://link.springer.com/chapter/10.1007/978-94-010-2525-6_5
6. Abigail Hall and Christopher Coyne "Manufacturing Militarism: U.S. Government Propaganda in the War on Terror": https://www.amazon.ca/Manufacturing-Militarism-Government-Propaganda-Terror/dp/1503628361

Jul 10, 2024
Jul 10, 2024
58 min
Sabine speaks with Greta Lynn Uehling about her research on the effects of war on relationships, an underexplored topic in conflict studies.
Episode Notes:
- Greta's book "Everyday War: Conflict in Donbas, Ukraine": https://a.co/d/09MHkjov
- Homer's "The Illiad": https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iliad
- Taras Shevchenko National University of Kyiv: knu.ua
- A primer on the concept of "Understanding Everyday Peace": https://heller.brandeis.edu/news/items/releases/2019/winter-2019-magazine-everyday-peace.html
- The UNICEF report on Mental Health: https://www.unicef.org/topics/mental-health
- The Battle of Ilovaisk: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Ilovaisk
- The Fullbright program website: https://us.fulbrightonline.org/about
- The Geneva Convention at ICRC: https://www.icrc.org/en/document/geneva-conventions-1949-additional-protocols

Jul 3, 2024
Jul 3, 2024
1 hr 6 min
Alex speaks with Marc-William Palen about the evolution of left-wing visions of free trade from the mid-19th century through the Cold War, highlighting key movements and figures like the Anti-Corn Law League, Karl Marx, and the Fair Trade movement, and contrasting these with protectionist and imperialist policies of the era.
Episode Notes:
Marc-William's book "Pax Economica: Left-Wing Visions of a Free Trade World": https://press.princeton.edu/books/hardcover/9780691199320/pax-economica
Marx on Free Trade:
The Eric Schliesser episode of the Curious Task mentioned by Alex: https://thecurioustask.podbean.com/e/special-episode-5-eric-schliesser-%e2%80%94-what-is-neoliberalism/
Journal of Liberal History's summary of the history of the Anti-Corn Law League:
https://liberalhistory.org.uk/history/anti-corn-law-league/
Overview of the history of the Opium Wars:
A primer on the origins of Fair Trade and the Haslemere Declaration:

Jun 26, 2024
Jun 26, 2024
59 min
Matt speaks with Joanna Baron about how government measures during the pandemic undermined civil liberties in North America and beyond.
Episode Notes:
- Brian Bird's PhD Thesis: https://escholarship.mcgill.ca/concern/theses/4j03d4180
- Fraser Institute:
https://www.fraserinstitute.org/
- The Forgotten Fundamental Freedoms - Dwight G. Newman
https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3803888
- Joanna's book with Christine Van Geyn "Pandemic Panic: How Canadian Government Responses to COVID-19 Changed Civil Liberties Forever" https://a.co/d/0aNNzvLW
- "Let's Declare a Pandemic Amnesty" by Emily Oster https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2022/10/covid-response-forgiveness/671879/

Jun 19, 2024
Jun 19, 2024
1 hr 30 min
Sabine speaks with Jonathan Blanks about why and how systemic racism exists in society, and what can potentially be done to curb it in various aspects of institutional life.
Episode Notes:
- The Foundation for Research on Equal Opportunity: https://freopp.org/
- An article by Jonathan on defining systemic racism: https://freopp.org/what-systemic-racism-is-and-isnt-1213c1c972ff
- Ghettoside: A True Story of Murder in America (2015) by Jill Leovy https://a.co/d/8f9JGqB
- 13th trailer: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K6IXQbXPO3I

Jun 12, 2024
Jun 12, 2024
1 hr 17 min
Alex speaks with Kevin Erdmann about how zoning, the 2008 economic crisis, and the desire to live away from "those people" is effecting the state of housing today.
Episode Notes:
Kevin's page at the Mercatus Centre:
https://www.mercatus.org/scholars/kevin-erdmann
The Erdmann Housing Tracker:
https://kevinerdmann.substack.com/
Kevin on X:
https://x.com/KAErdmann?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor
Kevin's book "Shut Out: How a Housing Shortage Caused the Great Recession and Crippled our Economy" on Amazon Canada:

Jun 5, 2024
Jun 5, 2024
1 hr 12 min
Alex speaks with Dominic Parker about his 2024 paper with Dean Lueck entitled "The Economic Origins And Extent Of America's First Environmental Agencies"
Episode Notes:
Dominic's paper: https://aae.wisc.edu/dparker/wp-content/uploads/sites/12/2024/11/Lueck-and-Parker-Agencies-November-2024.pdf
Some history on the conservation movement from 1850-1920 via the American Library of Congress:
https://www.loc.gov/item/00529694/

May 29, 2024
May 29, 2024
1 hr 4 min
Episode Notes:
- Ryan’s book that serves as the basis for most of the discussion:
https://a.co/d/6B4n1Uf
- Summary of Friedman, Monetarist School and the K-percent rule https://www.investopedia.com/terms/m/monetarism.asp#:~:text=In%20his%20book%2C%20%22A%20Monetary,a%20fixed%20percentage%20per%20year
- Explanation of greedflation: https://cssh.northeastern.edu/what-is-greedflation-and-is-it-driving-higher-prices/
- Kahneman and Thaler's research: https://www.jstor.org/stable/1806070
- Clemens on minimum wage
https://econweb.ucsd.edu/~j1clemens/pdfs/ClemensMinWageCatoPolicyAnalysis867.pdf

May 22, 2024
May 22, 2024
57 min
Alex speaks with Donner prize nominee Kent Roach about a topic that many Canadians may overlook when thinking about issues that are recurring at home: wrongful convictions and its victims.
Episode Notes:
- Kent's award-winning book "Wrongfully Convicted: Guilty Pleas, Imagined Crimes, and What Canada Must Do to Safeguard Justice" https://a.co/d/d9mB5cN
- Canadian Registry of Wrongful Convictions: https://www.wrongfulconvictions.ca/
- The Innocence Project at Cardozo: https://innocenceproject.org/about/
- Blackstone's ratio: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blackstone%27s_ratio
- Charles Smith (pathologist) background: https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/dr-charles-smith-the-man-behind-the-public-inquiry-1.864004
- R v Gladue: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R_v_Gladue
- Richard Catchaway case: https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/richard-catcheway-wrongful-conviction-1.4681737
- The Morin case on CRWC https://www.wrongfulconvictions.ca/cases/guy-paul-morin
- The Goudge report on pediatric forensic pathology: https://wayback.archive-it.org/16312/20211207211516/https://www.attorneygeneral.jus.gov.on.ca/inquiries/goudge/index.html
- The David Milgaard case: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Milgaard

May 15, 2024
May 15, 2024
1 hr 6 min
Matt speaks with Ethan Nadelmann about drug decriminalization, legalization, and the slow end to the drug war in Canada and the United States, and how successes and failures in both countries compare to those abroad.
Episode Notes:
The Drug Policy Alliance website: https://drugpolicy.org/
Some history on Portugal's Drug Harm Reduction Programs: https://americanaddictioncenters.org/blog/portugals-harm-reduction-policies
Philip Owen's obituary highlighting some of his successes in Vancouver as mayor: https://vancouver.citynews.ca/2021/10/02/dtes-philip-owens-four-pillars//
Larry Cambell's call for opioid legalization: https://globalnews.ca/news/3260074/make-prescription-opioids-legal-says-senator-and-former-mayor-larry-campbell/
"Nudge: Improving Decisions About Health, Wealth, and Happiness" on Amazon Canada: https://a.co/d/36Y1M4L
Peltzman's original article studying drug availability: https://www.jstor.org/stable/1830639
Ed Preble's "Taking Care Of Business":
https://doi.org/10.3109/10826086909061998
